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Post by Vorchia on Jul 24, 2005 1:31:02 GMT -5
So Buttercup will be takeing a lot of pictures, is anyone here handy with photoshop so we can 'improve' pictures? I'd make a costume but with school I just can't attend. I can try to come up with something anyway. I have ideas yes but they shall be kept secret. Good luck with the costume Buttercup!
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Post by aric on Jul 25, 2005 4:36:41 GMT -5
For those of you going as humans, here's a site that gives some tips on regular clothing from the fourteenth to early seventeenth centuries. Ladies can see an example of women's outfit here. Of course, this is Dinotopia. I don't think you have to be this strict when adhering to your Dinotopian costume. Here is a site called the Costumer's manifesto. They cover the history of costumes over history. You should take a look through here to get some tips and ideas for your costumes. Anyway, if you have a general idea of what you want but still need help, then bring it up here. - Aric
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Post by aric on Aug 9, 2005 0:47:44 GMT -5
On page 71 in ALAFT, there's a man playing the dragon horn. It looks to me that his style of dress is from the early 19th century. I get an impression of Charles Dickens from that guy's clothing. So, I suppose we might want to consider how far forward we want to take this dress up thing. Assuming you go to the Stomp in costume at all, should the illustrated books be the standard by which the costumes are made in terms of styles? I know that some of the costumes will be homemade and probably won't be absolutely perfect. Still, I was wondering if there should be certain constraints in how a costume will be chosen. Aside from Will and Arthur Denison, that guy playing the Dragon horn has the clothes that are closest to the time period that the ALAFT and TWB takes place. So, if it is decided to stay true to the books, then perhaps it might be best not to get too modern if you do choose to go in costume. Also just a note. A lot of Dinotopian clothing is quite bright and colorful. There are some examples of subdued earth tones, but largely, it's pretty dazzling the kind of variety of color schemes we see in both books. Another note. Women can wear pants! This might sound dumb, but women are allowed to wear pants in 19th century Dinotopia. Oriana Nascava wears them. Other nameless women also wear pants in TWB. Contrast this to 19th century North America and Europe, where wearing pants was limited to men. And this wasn't just a fashion thing. There were social taboos against women wearing pants. I have no idea why this was.... Also, there does seem to be a unisex outfit scheme. I've seen both men and women wear this. It's basically three pieces. First, there's a long-sleeved shirt. The sleeves are almost always puffy or loose-fitting. It seemed to be the fashion in a lot of eras. The examples I've seen upclose rarely have buttons on them. They are usually tied shut. And they're not button-up affairs either. It's formed like a long-sleeved polo shirt. Or, you can go here to get an idea. Just without the buttons. Second, there's breeches or pantaloons. If you don't know what a pantaloon is, it's either trousers or bloomers, depending on how you use the term. If they're the bloomer type pantaloons, then I think stockings are supposed to go with them. Breeches are essentially trousers. Thirdly, there is a vest of some sort. Oriana wears one. And Ulf Jensen in TWB on page 61 wears a vest. EDIT: Now that I look at her pictures, Oriana is wearing a short coat rather than a vest. The above outfit scheme appears to be somewhat common in Dinotopia. Also, there are a lot of robes around as well. Nallab wears them, as well as Georgio on page 33 of ALAFT. So, that's basically it for now. I'll look over the books for more stuff. - Aric
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Post by Vorchia on Aug 9, 2005 12:37:08 GMT -5
Hmm, it doesn't remind me of Dickens much but then again I've never managed to get through the man's books (with one exception for 'A tale of two cities') because his use of the language is over my head. Is it the hat that makes you think of Dickens? The colorfullness and the pants hardly needed to be pointed out really, lol. That part was obvious. However I happen to like skirts. I'm sure skirts are fine as loing as you don't have to sit on some dinosaurs back. (The sideways way of horseriding always looked extremely silly to me and near impossible to pull off if you don't have a perfect balance. I mean you'd slide right off.) Oh well, I don't mind the old clothes, skirts, dresses and, way too wide baggy pants but lets NOT introduce corsets, please. Women need oxygen to survive too. (I want to be thinner of course but I'm not that desperate for it, well maybe being able to breathe is just higher on my list of priorities then a smaller waist...) I know corsets would fit in if you take a look at the era's from which the Dinotopia fashion is taken but well, there seems to be a preference for baggy clothing anyway so it won't be that neccesary...
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Post by aric on Aug 9, 2005 21:29:42 GMT -5
Hmm, it doesn't remind me of Dickens much but then again I've never managed to get through the man's books (with one exception for 'A tale of two cities') because his use of the language is over my head. Is it the hat that makes you think of Dickens? Yeah, it was definitely the hat. It may show that there were dolphinbacks in that general time period before Arthur and Will arrived. The colorfullness and the pants hardly needed to be pointed out really, lol. Yeah, though there are some instances of muted colors. So, those going to the Stomp don't have to dress up in colorful outfits. However, since it is a special occasion, it might be more fun to do so. That part was obvious. However I happen to like skirts. I'm sure skirts are fine as loing as you don't have to sit on some dinosaurs back. (The sideways way of horseriding always looked extremely silly to me and near impossible to pull off if you don't have a perfect balance. I mean you'd slide right off.) Pantaloons or breeches would be just fine. Unless of course you prefer skirts instead of them. The instances of skirts that I remember have them being rather long. This might be good for the Stomp since it will probably still be quite cold in Massachussetts. If I were a girl and going to the Stomp in costume, I'd go in pants of some sort. But then, you don't have to take my feminine advice. Oh well, I don't mind the old clothes, skirts, dresses and, way too wide baggy pants but lets NOT introduce corsets, please. Women need oxygen to survive too. (I want to be thinner of course but I'm not that desperate for it, well maybe being able to breathe is just higher on my list of priorities then a smaller waist...) I know corsets would fit in if you take a look at the era's from which the Dinotopia fashion is taken but well, there seems to be a preference for baggy clothing anyway so it won't be that neccesary... I don't think I've ever seen corsets or bodices on women in Dinotopia. Even when Sylvia first shows up, she's wearing just the long skirt, and shirt, and the headdress. Dinotopian women are probably far more empowered than their outland counterparts. The absence of corsets and their ability to wear pants shows this. Anywho, what about distinctive markings on the costumes to show some sort of Dinotopan theme rather than simple folk outfits? That guy in the top hat that I thought looked like he could have come out of a Dickens story has vines and leaves stitched into some of the trim on his coat, like his colar and the trim of his coat pockets. What I'm getting at is that there is a nature them to some of the clothing as well. That guy on page 64 has stars on his cap and pocket. I don't think this nature theme is necessary, but I think it helps. - Aric
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Post by Azonthus on Aug 10, 2005 13:18:18 GMT -5
Anywho, what about distinctive markings on the costumes to show some sort of Dinotopan theme rather than simple folk outfits? That guy in the top hat that I thought looked like he could have come out of a Dickens story has vines and leaves stitched into some of the trim on his coat, like his colar and the trim of his coat pockets. What I'm getting at is that there is a nature them to some of the clothing as well. That guy on page 64 has stars on his cap and pocket. I don't think this nature theme is necessary, but I think it helps. - Aric I totally agree with that! My personal favorite thing to add to items for a 'Dinotopian' flare is a pattern of footprints. *laughs* I even re-did my name tag at work in the Chandaran Transitional Alphabet>) That lasted all of two hours before Jessica noticed and told me to change it... I rather like the pattern of four footprints. Maybe, at some point or other, I'll actually make a Dinotopian costume that sort of resembles something of my own design. For now, I'm going with my oriental/midieval scheme. We'll see how things change in the future.
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Post by aric on Aug 11, 2005 3:44:20 GMT -5
I totally agree with that! My personal favorite thing to add to items for a 'Dinotopian' flare is a pattern of footprints. *laughs* I even re-did my name tag at work in the Chandaran Transitional Alphabet>) That lasted all of two hours before Jessica noticed and told me to change it... I rather like the pattern of four footprints. Maybe, at some point or other, I'll actually make a Dinotopian costume that sort of resembles something of my own design. Yeah, the saurian footprints are the most straight forward way to directly associate your outfit with Dinotopia. Dinotopians themselves don't have to do this since they know they're Dinotopian. For for those of us living outside of Dinotopia, the best way to put a Dinotopian theme on our costumes is to put the footprints on folk costumes. For now, I'm going with my oriental/midieval scheme. We'll see how things change in the future. Ah aha! So, the secret unravels a little! Mwahahah! I like it when cultures intermix. You can pick the best of both worlds. - Aric
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Post by aric on Aug 11, 2005 3:53:00 GMT -5
Here's something I wrote on the OMB about a possible costume I'd wear in an alternate universe where I'm actually going to the Stomp. Maybe I'd pass them off as scholarly robes. In fact, a lot of us can considering some of us are in college or work for scholarly institutes. - Aric EDIT - I think I found my dream costume. LinkIt's that of a medieval scholar's robes. I like the general layout of the outfit. However, I'd make some modifications. The outer robe would be plum-colored. The undertunic would be a dark green. Or barring that, the entire shebang could be plum. Actually, I think I like that better. The trim would be gold like in the picture, but it would be thicker with more lines so that I could get some light embroidery or brocading in. The primary embroidery would be on the over gown. Maybe some vines or a pattern of saurian footprints. The tunic would have smaller gold trim, perhaps plain as in the picture. I even like the cap. That would be plum too. That's pretty much the whole outfit. Maybe it could be velvet. Mmmm.... velvet. Hmm, am I sounding gay? Or like George from Seinfeld? As for shoes, I'd settle for cotton shoes like these. Of course, they don't have to be of the "kung fu" variety. Just general cotton shoes. It'd be nice it if were Chinese. A bit of syncreticism there. Maybe a nice big ring on my right hand. Some sort of reward or something for a great - okay, I'm kidding myself - a good thesis or something like that. Maybe I ought to have a tote bag made of oil cloth to hold my personal effects like stationary and some scrolls. That'd be neat. Dang it. Too bad I'm not going. I'd rock! Also, that site only rents them out. It only comes in the color scheme presented. I don't even know if they ship outside of the local area that the advertisement is for... If they can ship, I'd take it to a costume shop or taylor and tell them to get to making my outfit before I have to return it.
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Post by Vorchia on Aug 11, 2005 8:02:44 GMT -5
Hmm... I'm thinking along the lines of a simple skirt (probably with a pair of trousers worn under it as it'd be COLD.), some form of a 'real mammoth wool' sweater with wide sleeves and proper decoration then a big fancy belt, boots and a big weather proof cape with hood. I would decorate it all with self designed Celtic knot patterns, embroidered in various colors. I would of course also make some jewelry so the other women can stare and turn various lovely shades of green. jkjk Then I'd go to the STOMP where I would 'accidentally' lock Stefan out in the snowy cold with his toga and his ideas about not wearing anything under the toga. I think he'd change his mind about it being nice and warm like that. Of course another option is a long dress with a long 'coat' like thing over it that doesn't close in the front a bit like what the woman is wearing here but then no belt and of course with adadpted cut, design and decoration. For instance the sleeves would be wide of course and it would not involve purple and certainly not gold. I'd stick with rich blue or something. But this latter one of course is more fancy.
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Post by aric on Aug 12, 2005 5:21:40 GMT -5
Hmm... I'm thinking along the lines of a simple skirt (probably with a pair of trousers worn under it as it'd be COLD.), Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. If I were going at the date set for the Stomp, I'd have to pack some stuff for the cold. The outfit that I'm envisioning would only be the robes, the tunic, pants and cotton shoes. some form of a 'real mammoth wool' sweater with wide sleeves and proper decoration then a big fancy belt, boots and a big weather proof cape with hood. Here is a bunch of links to online stores that sell period costumes. Don't just check the costume section. There's a link called "Silvermane" in the armory section that has some pretty good looking stuff on it. I would decorate it all with self designed Celtic knot patterns, embroidered in various colors. I would of course also make some jewelry so the other women can stare and turn various lovely shades of green. jkjk There's a dedicated Celtic section in the link above Then I'd go to the STOMP where I would 'accidentally' lock Stefan out in the snowy cold with his toga and his ideas about not wearing anything under the toga. I think he'd change his mind about it being nice and warm like that. Heh. Romans and Greeks never liked the cold. Of course another option is a long dress with a long 'coat' like thing over it that doesn't close in the front a bit like what the woman is wearing hereThe link doesn't work... Anyway, if you search through the links on that page, you might come across some cost-effective stuff for dresses. I think I saw an ensemble for under a hundred bucks. but then no belt and of course with adadpted cut, design and decoration. For instance the sleeves would be wide of course and it would not involve purple and certainly not gold. I'd stick with rich blue or something. But this latter one of course is more fancy. I like the blue with gold. - Aric EDIT www.silvermane.com/Dresses%2C%20Gowns%2C%20Skirts.html This is the link from Silvermane that covers women's attire. For some reason, the tags aren't working well with the address. There are other sections for apparel like headdresses and cloaks, but I think this would be the main area. EDIT 2 - www.silvermane.com/clothing_gathered-skirt.htmHere is a page with skirts. Only a shirt of some sort would help complete the outfit. Of course, that's ignoring shoes and some sort of head piece.. EDIT 3 www.ancientcircles.com/clothing/Capes/index.htmlHere is a page with a few Celtic-themed cloaks. There's a cotton version that's easily maintainable and cheaper than the rest. They're all a bit garish, though...
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Post by Vorchia on Aug 12, 2005 14:14:37 GMT -5
Nice links again Aric, its ironic how much time and thought goes into STOMP costumes here, while most people talking in this thread aren't able to go!!!
But still, I'll still stick with knots I'm, quite pathetically designing in my free time as if I AM going.... lol I know perfectly well I'll be sending the designs to Azzy for the art contest and it the rest will be daydreaming, partying at the T of P and the raiding of the chocolate stashes of the STOMP goers... Oh well, I'm sure Azzy will say hi to mr Gurney for us.
I sold my embroidery stuff on the flea market in May as I hadn't used it in oh say a decade and now embroidery and decoration are suddenly the fashion, ahhh!!!!!
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Post by aric on Aug 14, 2005 23:24:19 GMT -5
Nice links again Aric, its ironic how much time and thought goes into STOMP costumes here, while most people talking in this thread aren't able to go!!! Yeah. Probably because they've figured out, for the most part what they want to wear. That, or they're putting it off till the last minute. But still, I'll still stick with knots I'm, quite pathetically designing in my free time as if I AM going.... lol I know perfectly well I'll be sending the designs to Azzy for the art contest and it the rest will be daydreaming, partying at the T of P and the raiding of the chocolate stashes of the STOMP goers... Oh well, I'm sure Azzy will say hi to mr Gurney for us. Knots? I sold my embroidery stuff on the flea market in May as I hadn't used it in oh say a decade and now embroidery and decoration are suddenly the fashion, ahhh!!!!! Heh. I personally try not to throw anything away. I have tons of stuff from high school put away somewhere in my garage. I think i have an old turntable in there somewhere. - Aric
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Post by Vorchia on Aug 14, 2005 23:41:42 GMT -5
When I say 'knot' I mean Celtic knots. I don't throw away much, I try to sell it. I don't have much a of a talent for it so I never make much but I need money. Clothes I don't sell, old clothes go to the place where the asylum seeking refugees live, then at least its going to people who need it... I can't do what Az does, sell through E-bhay because I simplyc an't get a credit card untill my income is at least 1100 eurodollars a month. I'll never make that kind of money untill I'm out of school and have a job, I just started college... By the time I'm done with that I won't need the creditcard anymore as I'll have a more steady income then internet sales. I couldn't find a good summerjob that could be combined with my driving lessons and I can't work during college so my income is very low. I don't want to go into the red numbers. (Hence why I'm NOT pulling out 2000 dollars for a weekend trip to the U.S.A no matter what.)
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Post by aric on Aug 15, 2005 3:21:11 GMT -5
When I say 'knot' I mean Celtic knots. Ah. I don't throw away much, I try to sell it. I don't have much a of a talent for it so I never make much but I need money. Clothes I don't sell, old clothes go to the place where the asylum seeking refugees live, then at least its going to people who need it... I can't do what Az does, sell through E-bhay because I simplyc an't get a credit card untill my income is at least 1100 eurodollars a month. I'll never make that kind of money untill I'm out of school and have a job, I just started college... By the time I'm done with that I won't need the creditcard anymore as I'll have a more steady income then internet sales. I couldn't find a good summerjob that could be combined with my driving lessons and I can't work during college so my income is very low. I don't want to go into the red numbers. (Hence why I'm NOT pulling out 2000 dollars for a weekend trip to the U.S.A no matter what.) Do you have a checking account that offers a check card? Perhaps that is enough to start an account there. I got a Visa Check Card with my Totally Free Checking Account at a local bank. That's how I ger stuff at Amazon.com and other online shops. - Aric
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Post by Azonthus on Aug 16, 2005 16:54:03 GMT -5
That's pretty much the whole outfit. Maybe it could be velvet. Mmmm.... velvet. Hmm, am I sounding gay? Or like George from Seinfeld? Gay? Never... Just, fashion obsessed! I've got to admit, you guys are putting way more thought into this than I have mine! In fact, I don't have half of what I wanted planned done yet. Gotta get that art thing going...
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