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Post by Azonthus on Jul 13, 2005 13:47:42 GMT -5
It's completely irrelevant if some people don't like it because it undermines their idea of faith. That's not my problem. It just means they need to be more resilient and adaptable. - Aric *laughs* Dude... Creationists are against evolution! Why would they embody something as evolutionistic as 'resilient and adaptable'? You do know I'm being sarcastic, right?
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Post by aric on Jul 14, 2005 1:22:24 GMT -5
*laughs* Dude... Creationists are against evolution! Why would they embody something as evolutionistic as 'resilient and adaptable'? You do know I'm being sarcastic, right? I didn't even realize the pun in the first place.... - Aric
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Post by RedFeather on Jul 26, 2005 10:55:58 GMT -5
Three amazing arguments against evolution
Evolutionists do not have solid support from science when they say everything has “evolved”.
In fact, evolutionists who reject God and miracles have three of the biggest problems in the universe.Problem No. 1There is no scientific law that allows something to evolve from nothing. If there was nothing in the universe to begin with, obviously nothing could happen to cause anything to appear.
Evolutionists often try to duck this problem by saying that evolution is not concerned with the origin of life, only how life progressed after it appeared. But if you can't get something from nothing, it's pointless thinking there was a next step. Juggle the figures any way you like, but without a Creator you are not going to get anything, let alone everything. Perhaps there is no concrete "proof" that things evolved from nothing, but evolution happens every day. Look at how many different breeds of dogs and cats there are. A chihuahua and a great dane are, after all, the same exact species. And this isn't just with dogs and cats. A great majority of plants and animals have subspecies, which are caused by breeding and breeding until certain traits emerge, from breeding one certain individuals with others. So... just because you don't believe things evolved from nothing, doesn't mean that things don't evolve at all.
And as things tend to happen on a smaller scale, they often tend to happen on a larger scale, too. For instance, if you have so many dog breeds, well... what did they come from? The wolf. And it happens on an even larger scale than that. If it happens on a small scale, then it's possible for it to happen on a larger scale, as well.Okay. Well, from your belief, God created everything from nothing, right? So... how is that any different? It's even possible that if there's a God, that he created things through evolution.
If you have a problem with people's lack of spirituality, this isn't the area you should attack. That lies within the person, not in whether they believe in evolution, or not.It isn't necessarily "more complex" creatures, and the evolution of one species into another isn't something that someone can just sit down and watch, for it takes millions of years. I wouldn't say it was "more complex" creatures, but that one thing evolved into something similar, but with a slightly different species. And so on. And so on, for years and years and years and eventually, that gave birth to a new genus, which eventually gave birth to this, to that... but no, it's not like a beetle just randomly turned into a llama one day.And, quite frankly, I don't try to stomp on your beliefs. It is perfectly fine and okay with me if you choose not to believe in evolution. I really don't mind, either way. I am not trying to "convert" you, as you are trying to do to those of us who don't share your viewpoint.
But I really don't like the accusation of "rejecting God," just because I believe in evolution. I mean, come on, I might believe in evolution, but I do believe in spirituality. I'm not an atheist, or anything, and I, for one, don't like being labeled just because I don't believe exactly as you do.
It's fine and good that you wish to post your beliefs in here, but please don't label those who don't share your beliefs, and just assume that they are these horrible people who are "rejecting God." Thank you.
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Post by Stouthorn on Jul 26, 2005 11:31:19 GMT -5
Minstelae, I must say I'm so happy you joined this board. You're hitting home runs left and right! Exalted!
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Post by RedFeather on Jul 26, 2005 17:58:48 GMT -5
Aww! *blushes* Thank you.
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Post by aric on Jul 26, 2005 21:09:26 GMT -5
I must exalt you as well. I particularly liked this part. And, quite frankly, I don't try to stomp on your beliefs. It is perfectly fine and okay with me if you choose not to believe in evolution. I really don't mind, either way. I am not trying to "convert" you, as you are trying to do to those of us who don't share your viewpoint.
But I really don't like the accusation of "rejecting God," just because I believe in evolution. I mean, come on, I might believe in evolution, but I do believe in spirituality. I'm not an atheist, or anything, and I, for one, don't like being labeled just because I don't believe exactly as you do.
It's fine and good that you wish to post your beliefs in here, but please don't label those who don't share your beliefs, and just assume that they are these horrible people who are "rejecting God." Thank you. I love it how people like dan and jayjay assume that they somehow have exclusive access to the Truth through their versions of religion and sprituality. If the real universe has shown us anything, diversity is the rule when it comes to dealing with real world matters. Genetic diversity helps a species survive cataclysms better than a species whose gene pool is limited. A diversity of ideas allows groups to come to conclusions and solutions faster, sometimes better, than if people adhered strictly to a set of rules or a particular group of ideas. And carried further, you won't understand God or spirituality by priviledging one dogma or another over all others. If a person or theology can't look outside of themselves for help in looking for answers, then there's a good chance, in my opinion, that they're deluding themselves. People who don't listen to criticism or outside input are often those who are crazy or wrong or both. Good to have you here, Minstelae. - Aric
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Post by RedFeather on Jul 26, 2005 23:57:40 GMT -5
Hehe, thanks! It is dangerous to make a Utahraptor mad, lol, or she just might rant on and on for hours. I thought you guys might be mad at me, lol, but it's nice to see you aren't. *grins*
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Post by aric on Jul 27, 2005 0:49:59 GMT -5
Hehe, thanks! It is dangerous to make a Utahraptor mad, lol, or she just might rant on and on for hours. I thought you guys might be mad at me, lol, but it's nice to see you aren't. *grins* Yeah, about that. Why did you think people might get angry? Does it have to do with stuff that happened at the OMB or old ToP? If anything, the people who post in the science and theology/philosophy forum usually think similarly to you. - Aric
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Post by Vorchia on Jul 27, 2005 5:50:14 GMT -5
Its understandable how someone can be nervous to express an opinion as yes it has happened, both at T of P and the OMB that they got attacked for it. >_< Thankfully here it isn't so today and I am amazed sometimes at how well everything is being handled... I mean, NO casualties yet in the Evolution debate! Whohoo! Hell froze over!
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Post by Azonthus on Jul 27, 2005 16:18:00 GMT -5
Its understandable how someone can be nervous to express an opinion as yes it has happened, both at T of P and the OMB that they got attacked for it. >_< Thankfully here it isn't so today and I am amazed sometimes at how well everything is being handled... I mean, NO casualties yet in the Evolution debate! Whohoo! Hell froze over! Isn't it amazing? I'm truly impressed with everyone here=) No blood and guts yet! Keep up the good work=) I realize that many people here believe in the evolunistic/agnostic/athiestic vein and that's why I have to contribute my bits here and there about Christianity=) Got to balance the arguments a little after all!
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Post by RedFeather on Jul 27, 2005 20:49:29 GMT -5
Hehe, thanks! It is dangerous to make a Utahraptor mad, lol, or she just might rant on and on for hours. I thought you guys might be mad at me, lol, but it's nice to see you aren't. *grins* Yeah, about that. Why did you think people might get angry? Does it have to do with stuff that happened at the OMB or old ToP? If anything, the people who post in the science and theology/philosophy forum usually think similarly to you. - Aric Yes, yes, that's basically it. Although it seems to me that ToP has improved that way, although I'm not sure about the OMB yet. *grins* Oy... some people just want to ruin everything for others. And yeah, I'm always nervous to express an opinion because, although I'm not trying to offend anyone or to make anyone mad, I fear that I might, and might start WWIII. And I really don't want to do that.
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Post by aric on Jul 28, 2005 1:11:14 GMT -5
Considering my behavior toward jayjay I shudder to think what used to happen at the OMB... I mean it's the freakin OMB! "No blood and guts"? What are the standards for WWIII around here?
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Post by RedFeather on Jul 28, 2005 20:44:33 GMT -5
Yeah. It's sad nothing can be done about that at the OMB, because it really is a good board. Pity some people try and ruin it. But it always stays, no matter what happens, lol. It's always there, always constant.
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Post by SilvanoshiS on Aug 9, 2005 8:35:41 GMT -5
This thread was nothing compared to what I used to see back at the old board... That's actually why I stayed out of here for a long time. I just don't get involoved in flame wars. The last one I went into was like B-24s carpet napalming an entire country. this one's like a little guy with a flamethrower.
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Post by RedFeather on Aug 9, 2005 11:33:29 GMT -5
Yeah, that's true. *remembers* They'd really get into at the old ToP... weren't cool with the fact that different people had different opinions. But it seems that, either people have learned, or we have good posters here now. Maybe a little of both. (Not that those of you who posted at the old ToP and still post here are what I'm talking about. I mean most of the people who came in and posted stuff, who didn't stay long, and who aren't here now... not the core of the messageboards.)
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