Rosa
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Post by Rosa on Aug 21, 2006 8:27:08 GMT -5
Hey, what if we all created a Dinotopia cookbook? Would anyone be into that? I thought it would be interesting to see what we could come up with that would have no wheat, eggs, milk, corn, or meat. Of course, fish would be welcome since we all know that they do eat that kind of meat on Dinotopia. I'll post a chocolate cake recipe just as soon as I can--tonight maybe.
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Anemone
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Post by Anemone on Aug 21, 2006 12:24:12 GMT -5
I like that idea! I'll see what I can come up with, and post the results.
Hopefully I won't end up giving my family food poisoning.
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Rosa
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Post by Rosa on Aug 21, 2006 13:03:52 GMT -5
Great! I'll be looking forward to see what you come up with. Here's a hint. Quinoa flour and flakes can be used in place of wheat and James Gurney didmention in one of his books that the Dinotopians use quinoa. Also, I've learned that a combination of flax seeds and water can do as an egg substitute. Try rice or soy milk to take the place of cow milk. It works pretty good in some things, but not in pies. I've already tried making pie without real eggs or milk and they turned out pretty disgusting in texture. Have fun! I'll post a recipe or two this evening.
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aric
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Post by aric on Aug 22, 2006 0:29:50 GMT -5
Hey, what if we all created a Dinotopia cookbook? Would anyone be into that? Heh. I actually tried to do this twice over at the OMB as well as the old ToP. Nobody participated... Anyway, it's finally good to see someone taking interest in this part of the Dinotopian lifestyle. Here was the website I linked to before: Vegan Chef. There are one or two recipes that specifically cover quinoa. I thought it would be interesting to see what we could come up with that would have no wheat, eggs, milk, corn, or meat. Of course, fish would be welcome since we all know that they do eat that kind of meat on Dinotopia. I'll post a chocolate cake recipe just as soon as I can--tonight maybe. Hmm. I think it was in The Hand of Dinotopia where we saw one of the characters, I think it was Will, almost crash into a wagon carrying milk. While it could have been soy milk, I wasn't under the impression that soy beans were cultivated in Dinotopia. I thought it was milk from Dinotopian mammals. Which brings up the issue of chocolate. A lot of what we eat is milk chocolate. So, if there is indeed absolutely no milk from animals on Dinotopia, then we might want to consider altering some recipes that contain milk chocolate. Of course, if dark choccy is all you eat, then I suppose there's no problem. Anyway, since I don't have much experience cooking outside of store-bought ready-made (or otherwise processed in a factory) foods, all I can really do is post links to some good sites and recipes. Here is a recipe for warm quinoa pudding. INGREDIENTS1 cup quinoa 2 cups water 2 cups apple juice 1 cup raisins 2 tablespoons lemon juice 1 teaspoon ground cinnamon, or to taste salt to taste 2 teaspoons vanilla extract DIRECTIONS1. Place quinoa in a sieve and rinse thoroughly. Allow to drain, then place quinoa in a medium saucepan with water. Bring to a boil over high heat. Cover pan with lid, lower heat, and allow to simmer until all water is absorbed and quinoa is tender, about 15 minutes. 2. Mix in apple juice, raisins, lemon juice, cinnamon, and salt. Cover pan and allow to simmer for 15 minutes longer. Stir in vanilla extract. Serve warm. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is a recipe for quinoa (or sesame seed) pancakes that do not require dairy products: INGREDIENTS1 cup quinoa flour 2 Tbl arrowroot starch 1 pinch sea salt 1/8 tsp cinnamon 1/8 tsp cardamon 1-2 Tbl coconut butter or ghee 3/4 cup unsweetened almond or rice milk 1/8 baking soda DIRECTIONS1) Mix all dry ingredients together. Add wet ingredients. 2) Scoop out "pancake" sized spoonfuls and fry on a griddle or pan. And here's the one for the sesame pancakes: INGREDIENTS1 cup sesame meal (I grind my own with a blender) 2 tsp. baking powder 1/2 cup arrowroot powder 1 1/2 Tblsp. oil 1/2 cup water DIRECTIONS1) Mix all dry ingredients together. Add wet ingredients. 2) Scoop out "pancake" sized spoonfuls and fry on a griddle or pan. ------------------------------------------------- Here is another recipe for quinoa pancakes: INGREDIENTS2 cups (240g) quinoa flour 2 Tbs (25g) baking powder 1/4 tsp (1g) baking soda 1/8 cup (30mL) light-flavored oil, such as sunflower 1/2 cup (70g) raw cashews 2 cups (480mL) warm water 1 tsp (5mL) vanilla extract 1 tsp (5mL) lemon juice or 1/4 tsp (1g) ascorbic acid crystals dissolved in 2 Tbsp (30mL) warm water 1 tsp (5mL) maple syrup DIRECTIONSIn a mixing bowl, whisk together quinoa flour, baking powder, and baking soda. In blender, grind nuts to a fine powder, pausing to scrape under the blades 2–3 times. Add to blender: water, vanilla extract, lemon juice, and maple syrup and blend 3–4 minutes. Pour liquids over dry ingredients and whisk a few times, eliminating lumps. If batter is too thick, add water as necessary. Pour a scant 1/4 cup (60mL) of batter onto hot non-stick griddle (heated until water dances on it) for each pancake. Serve with fruit sauce or applesauce. Variations: Add 1–2 Tbsp (10–20g) flaxseed into the blender with the cashews. For a heavier buckwheat sourdough pancake, replace up to 1 cup (120g) of quinoa flour with buckwheat flour and use 2 Tbsp (25g) baking powder. ------------------------------------------------ That's it for now. - Aric
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Rosa
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Post by Rosa on Aug 22, 2006 8:06:35 GMT -5
That's a good point on the milk issue, Aric. Since I'm not really positive if they really use milk from mammels on Dinotopia, I'm going to post recipes that won't call for it. Milk chocolate is great, but yes, dark chocolate is my favorite so that's what I normally buy. ;D Thanks for the link to that website. I think it'll come in really handy. Here's a recipe for [glow=red,2,300]Chocolate Cake[/glow] Ingredients¼ cup cocoa ½ cup water 1 cup oil 1/2 cup honey 1/2 cup maple syrup 1/3 cup ground flax seed ½ cup rice milk ½ tsp. salt 1 ½ cups quinoa flour 1 cup quinoa flakes 1 tsp. baking soda DirectionsSet oven to 325º. Mix all ingredients and pour into greased 9x13 inch pan. Bake for 30 to 40 minutes or until toothpick comes out clean when you stick it in the middle of cake. Icing Ingredients1 cup rice milk 1/4 cup honey 1/4 cup maple syrup ½ cup coconut oil 1/8 tsp. salt 1 tsp. vanilla extract 1 cup dried coconut 1 cup chopped pecans 1 tbs. potato flour DirectionsBring rice milk, honey, coconut oil, and salt to a boil and then thicken with 1 tbs. potato flour. Add vanilla, coconut, and pecans. Icing will thicken more when it cools.
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Post by Vira Redclaw on Aug 26, 2006 17:35:00 GMT -5
Ooh! I might get involved in this. I'll have to think of something. GREAT idea Rosa!
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Post by Vorchia on Sept 6, 2006 8:58:08 GMT -5
Yes any project here is likely to get zero-participance, sad fact of a small community whose particfipants tend to get busy with RL... >_<
About eggs... If I may be controversial for a moment, as we all know most modern egg laying creatures lay more eggs then actually hatch. Its possible to determine whether an egg is fertile or not by 'holding it against a lamp' or a candle on Dinotopia. Having thus determined if the egg is fertile or not the fertile egg would be incubated, what about the non-fertile egg? The 'civilised' saurians apparently only have very few hatchlings per couple, its possible they do produce more eggs that would not have any emotional value whatsoever and could be turned into an omelette. They could even simply not incubate say the 4th and more eggs of a couple, which would be an animal friendly version of birth control... This then would produce a supply of eggs for the Dinotopian cuisine. Voila, egg problem solved. It also explains WHY the Oviraptors work at the hatcheries of all places...
Ehh... I think I had better start running now, yes?
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Post by Azonthus on Sept 11, 2006 23:00:17 GMT -5
It has been established in the past that there IS milk on Dinotopia. Goat milk, to be precise. James Gurney mentions Will and Sylvia having buttered biscuits at the Tentpole of the Sky and there are pictures of goats in the mountains. So, milk is okay to be used for the ingredients=) As for eggs, I'm not sure. JG made a specific point to mention that no eggs were eaten, even at the hatchery. Then again, that could be because the hatchery eggs were fertile. I'd say that point is still up for debate. Here is a recipe I got from The Vegan Chef! It's for Ancient Grain Patties, which sounded like a good, Dinotopian recipe. It even uses quinoa! LINK to Recipe2 cups water or vegetable stock 2/3 cup millet, rinsed, and drained 1/3 cup quinoa, rinsed, and drained 1/2 t. salt 1/2 t. dried basil 1/4 t. dried oregano 1/4 t. dried thyme 1/8 t. freshly ground black pepper 1/2 cup raw almonds 1/2 cup raw sunflower seeds 3/4 cup red onion, finely diced 1 T. olive oil, plus additional for oiling cookie sheet 1/2 cup baby bella mushrooms (or other mushrooms of choice), roughly chopped 1/3 cup carrot, finely diced 1/3 cup celery, finely diced 1/3 cup red pepper, destemmed, deseeded, and diced 1 T. garlic, minced 1 cup spinach or Swiss chard, triple washed, patted dry, and roughly chopped 3 T. quinoa flour or brown rice flour 2 T. tamari, soy sauce, or Bragg Liquid Aminos 2 T. freshly chopped parsley 1 T. balsamic vinegar 1 t. hot pepper sauce 2 T. cornmeal In a medium saucepan, place the water, and bring to a boil. Add the millet, quinoa, salt, basil, oregano, thyme, and pepper, stir to combine, and return the mixture to a boil. Cover the saucepan, reduce the heat to low, and simmer the grains for 18-20 minutes or until all of the water has been absorbed. Remove the saucepan from the heat and set aside to cool. Meanwhile, in a dry non-stick skillet, place the almonds and sunflower seeds and cook them over medium heat for 3-5 minutes or until lightly toasted and fragrant. Transfer them to a small bowl to cool. In the same skillet, saute the red onion in the olive oil for 3 minutes to soften. Add the mushrooms, carrot, celery, and red pepper, and continue to saute an additional 5 minutes or until the vegetables are crisp tender. Add the garlic and saute an additional 1 minute. Remove the skillet from the heat. Transfer the slightly-cooled grains to a medium bowl. Finely chop the toasted almonds and sunflower seeds and add them to the cooked grains. Add the sauteed vegetable mixture, along with the remaining ingredients except the cornmeal, and stir well to combine. Using a little olive oil, lightly oil (or mist with oil) a non-stick cookie sheet and set aside. Place the cornmeal on a small plate. Using a 1/2 cup measuring cup, portion the grain-vegetable mixture into 6 patties. Dust the patties on all sides with the cornmeal and place them on the prepared cookie sheet. Bake at 350 degrees for 25-30 minutes or until lightly browned. Serve the patties plain or with your choice of condiments. Yield: 6 patties
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Barry
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Post by Barry on Sept 15, 2006 3:18:26 GMT -5
This is the only recipe I know that I never messed up, and the only one I can make. My mother gave this to me long ago.
I know I can probley get away with this one, This is as close to Dinotopian I could think of. Here gos.
No Bake Cookies
Ingredients: 1/2 cup butter 2 cups sugar 1/8 teaspoon salt 4 tablespoons cocoa 1/2 cup milk
Directions: Boil the above ingredients for 1 1/2 minutes.
Add the following: 3 cups oatmeal 1/2 cup peanut butter 1 teaspoon vanilla
Stir until blended. Drop a teaspoon of cookie dough on waxed paper and chill.
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Post by Croco and Speedwing on Sept 30, 2006 18:31:04 GMT -5
I'm sure you could also use recipes that use millet...didn't Malik mention something about planting millet in ALAFT when he was lecturing Arthur on time? I'd like to see some recipes involving millet and maybe include some if I can find any good ones.
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Post by Vorchia on Oct 1, 2006 3:06:07 GMT -5
Ehhh... No comprendo. Isn't flax something you make rope of? And what is brag liquid aminos? Arrowroot? Chard? Millet?? The last one sounds like it could the last name of a Hobbit whatever it may be.
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aric
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Post by aric on Oct 31, 2006 0:58:37 GMT -5
That's a good point on the milk issue, Aric. Since I'm not really positive if they really use milk from mammels on Dinotopia, I'm going to post recipes that won't call for it. Milk chocolate is great, but yes, dark chocolate is my favorite so that's what I normally buy. ;D An interesting thought occurred to me. Since there is some degree of meso-American influence to Dinotopian culture, perhaps we could also include Oaxacan Chocolate. This may very well be what Will Denison and co. drank in The Hand of Dinotopia. I don't know if it has any milk content. The primary ingradients are cocoa, sugar and cinnamon. The cinnamon, besides giving the chocolate a nice flavor, also gives it some heat. IIRC, the Aztecs liked their chocolate hot. Not just tempurature-wise but literally spicy. I don't suppose anybody here has tried - or would like to try - Oaxacan chocolate? About eggs... If I may be controversial for a moment, as we all know most modern egg laying creatures lay more eggs then actually hatch. Its possible to determine whether an egg is fertile or not by 'holding it against a lamp' or a candle on Dinotopia. Having thus determined if the egg is fertile or not the fertile egg would be incubated, what about the non-fertile egg? The 'civilised' saurians apparently only have very few hatchlings per couple, its possible they do produce more eggs that would not have any emotional value whatsoever and could be turned into an omelette. They could even simply not incubate say the 4th and more eggs of a couple, which would be an animal friendly version of birth control... This then would produce a supply of eggs for the Dinotopian cuisine. Voila, egg problem solved. The Hand of Dinotopia may not be canon, but I do recall Will and company eating fish. And of course, they have no problem smoking fish and feeding them to the carnivores of the Basin. Now, what does this have to do with eggs? Well, it seems to me that they don't really see eating non-sentient creatures as a big deal. Could it be that they may eat chicken eggs and such? Dinosaur eggs might be a different story because there may be social or even religious stigma against eating them. But if we're to logically extend the consumption of dumb fish to the eggs of non-sentient animals, then could it be that eggs are indeed consumed in Dinotopia? It also explains WHY the Oviraptors work at the hatcheries of all places... Ehh... I think I had better start running now, yes? *poke* You just get hungry when you see those eggs, dontcha! It has been established in the past that there IS milk on Dinotopia. Goat milk, to be precise. James Gurney mentions Will and Sylvia having buttered biscuits at the Tentpole of the Sky and there are pictures of goats in the mountains. So, milk is okay to be used for the ingredients=) Okay. So that matched perfectly with the incident in HoD. I guess now we don't have to tread to lightly around the issue of using milk in our recipes. As for eggs, I'm not sure. JG made a specific point to mention that no eggs were eaten, even at the hatchery. Then again, that could be because the hatchery eggs were fertile. I'd say that point is still up for debate. Well, maybe it would be more accurate to say that no eggs were eaten especially at the hatchery? Maybe there's some sort of social protocol that prevents people from eating those things at the hatchery but allows DInotopians to consume them elsewhere? There was no milk at the hatchery, but there was some at the Tentpole as you pointed out. Cultural or social differences between professions or even regions of the island perhaps? I'm sure you could also use recipes that use millet...didn't Malik mention something about planting millet in ALAFT when he was lecturing Arthur on time? I'd like to see some recipes involving millet and maybe include some if I can find any good ones. Yeah, you can find that conversation on page 69. There's also mention of the Denisons being served fried millet cakes on page 90. And here's some millet-based recipes from Vegan Chef: Macintosh and Millet PilafGrain and garden Vegetable Mosaic LoafTriple Grain Spinach and Mushroom PilafAncient grain and Vegetable PattiesAs a sidenote, the two recipes above make use of both millet and quinoa. Ehhh... No comprendo. Isn't flax something you make rope of? And what is brag liquid aminos? Arrowroot? Chard? Millet?? The last one sounds like it could the last name of a Hobbit whatever it may be. Yeah, there's some stuff I've never even heard of before looking at that site. I'm assuming those weird things are there as chemical or taste substitutes for the dairy, egg, and meat products that got taken out. BTW, has anybody tried to make any of the recipes we put here? I would imagine that the exotic nature of the ingredients might make some of these recipes unrealistic for some of us to make. I can suggest something rather simple right now. There's this thing that looks like coconut jell-o. I saw the mix for it at the grocery store. If it's here in a mainstream store rather than a specialty place, then I would imagine it's available on the mainland. Keep an eye out for it near the place where you find Jell-O mix. EDIT: I just did some searching and it's called coconut jelly. The one I saw was a pre-mixed product where I think you just add water or milk. That would be the easiest way to go if you want to try it out. You can also make some yourself if you can't find any mixes but have the ingredients: Igredients * 750ml water * 150g caster sugar * 1 tbsp agar agar powder or 3 tbsp agar agar flakes or 3 whole sticks (if using stick agar agar you will need to soak if in the water for 30 minutes before simmering) * 100g coconut powder, dissolved in 50ml boiling water Method 1. Jelly: Place the water in a saucepan with the caster sugar, sprinkle over the agar agar powder or flakes and stir them in. Bring the water to the boil, then reduce to a strong simmer for 5 minutes until the sugar and agar agar have dissolved. Whisk the syrup regularly allowing the agar agar to dissolve. 2. Remove the pan from the heat and allow it to cool briefly. Whisk in the coconut powder dissolved in the boiling water so that it and is well distributed. 3. To Set: Pour the syrup into a square or round dish (rinse the mould in cold water before filling) and place in the refrigerator to set. (To test that you have used the correct amount of agar agar place a spoonful of the mixture on a plate or bowl and place it in the refrigerator for 10 minutes. The mixture should be set and firm but if is soft you will need to use more agar agar). 4. To Serve: When the jelly is set remove it from the mould and cut into squares. Also, if you can't find spicy Oaxacan chocolate, here's a recipe from Alton Brown for some spicy hot chocolate mix: 2 cups powdered sugar 1 cup cocoa (Dutch-process preferred) 2 1/2 cups powdered milk 1 teaspoon salt 2 teaspoons cornstarch 1 pinch cayenne pepper, or more to taste Hot water Combine all ingredients in a mixing bowl and incorporate evenly. In a small pot, heat 4 to 6 cups of water. Fill your mug half full with the mixture and pour in hot water. Stir to combine. Seal the rest in an airtight container, keeps indefinitely in the pantry. This also works great with warm milk. As a note from myself, I don't think Brown wants you to use sugar that's already been powdered. There's actually some starch in those processed powdered sugars to prevent moisture from clumping the product. He suggests that you take granular sugar and run it through the food processor or somthing like that until you get powdered sugar of your own. Also, I just saw this show where you knead bread dough under some running water until the carbs wash away and all you have is the protein. It might make a good meat substitute. EDIT 2: Just looked it up and it's called Seitan. - Aric
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Buttercup
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Post by Buttercup on Nov 2, 2006 8:46:04 GMT -5
Hey, I really like this idea because the little girl that I help babysit is highly allergic to gluten. Gluten is the base stuff for anything classified under bread using wheat or barley. Amazingly, you find gluten in so many things not just as a main ingredient, but also as a kind of preservative so we have to be very careful what she eats. She can have corn and rice products so I can easily find out the recipe for a salsa that she loves and rice crispy treats. There is also a recipe for rice bread loaves (which are pretty good, the texture is a little off because the bread is more dense than wheat based) and a few others. I will get the recipes and post them later, hopefully by tomorrow night. Keep it up...
Oh, Aric, I have been drinking my hot chocolate with cayenne pepper for some time now. I love it so much that last year when we made chocolate dipped cookies for Christmas, we added cayenne to them and I am hoping to do it again this year.
Tip: If you add just a pinch of the Cayenne, it doesn't make the chocolate spicy, it enhances the chocolate-y taste and makes it richer. When you add more is when you get the spiciness. I love either way but feel free to experiment the next time you make some hot chocolate....you may never go back!
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Post by Azonthus on Nov 2, 2006 13:02:37 GMT -5
An interesting thought occurred to me. Since there is some degree of meso-American influence to Dinotopian culture, perhaps we could also include Oaxacan Chocolate. This may very well be what Will Denison and co. drank in The Hand of Dinotopia. I don't know if it has any milk content. The primary ingradients are cocoa, sugar and cinnamon. The cinnamon, besides giving the chocolate a nice flavor, also gives it some heat. IIRC, the Aztecs liked their chocolate hot. Not just tempurature-wise but literally spicy. I don't suppose anybody here has tried - or would like to try - Oaxacan chocolate? - Aric Well, thanks to having read Aric's post about cinnamon in the chocolate, I noticed something while I was at the dry cleaners. They always have hot chocolate, tea, and apple cider mixes for their customers. I fliped through the different flavored hot chocolate mixes and found one that has cinnamon in it! You bet I snatched that right up I haven't tried it yet, but I plan to do so tomorrow when I go in to work. I'll let you all know what I think!
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