Post by Vorchia on Jan 3, 2007 15:14:29 GMT -5
Amber the Velociraptor
Reins on Dinotopian dinosaurs?
Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:31
62.49.190.90
Hi,
I was re-reading "Dinotiopia Lost" whichhas as it's picture the same image as on the front of ALAFT and something struck me:
Why do most pf the dinosaurs in the picture seem to be reined or have some other guidence suystem you'd usually associate with what we usually tyerm (rather rudely" I think) as "deumb animals?" I thought that dinosaurs and humans were supposed to be equal. Thinking about this, I came up with some ideas.
1) The sauropod with a collar with rings on, by which humans can hook with a long stick to guide:
Some sauropods would find it very uncomfortable, if not impoossible, to look at where their feet are going, due to the angle of their necks and head. The ringed collar is there so that the nearby huimans can guide it to left or right if an obstruction (or smaller dinosaur or human) is in the way.
2) The Trike with reins.
They're not there to control the Trike-no human could stop a three ton Trike going somwhere if it was determined to get there LOL! They could be there to give the humans a secure handhold, for ceremonial use or symbolism (to show their willingness to transport humans, perhaps)or maybe the dinos consider them decorative?
3)The Para having it's head pulled around by it's reins by a human-
Harder to explain away, perhaps? Not at all. A Para's head is suitably far forwaed of it's back that a rider might have to shout to even be in with a chance of being heard. So maybe the rider is merely pulling the Para's heads round because he wants to say something to it without shouting?
4) The Struthie(?) with reins around it's neck.
To me this is harder to explain, unless the Struthie is unused to that particular city (or part of the city) and the human is using them to gently indicate whgich direction the Struthie should take.
Points 3 and 4 gain strength if you take into account there appears to be no Protoceratops around to transl;ate between saurian and hman. Even 1 or 2 could also have that as part of an explanation.
Any other ideas, people?
Sorry I've not been on recently-RL has dumped tons of good and bad stuff on me in one go and I'm STILL trying to figure this out AND planning to move!
RF, SP,
Amber the Velociraptor.
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Rusty
yay!
Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:45
4.155.33.253
Excellent points, Amber! (and good to see you're still alive, well, and around! i will see you in November!)
Ya know, when I read and observed Dinotopia for the first time, it didn't bother me that the saurians had reins or harnesses or other "controlling" devices. I think that's simply the way we're brought up, thinking of animals as under us instead of equals. Well...the way MOST of us are brought up, I know there's a good many exceptions out there...
Anyway, a while back, I did a short story called "The Rein-Maker's Daughter" as a companion to one of my other, longer Dinotopian fics. Most of what was created were high decorative and worn with pride.
Honestly, I think the saurians indulge in wearing the devices (as long as they do not contain a bit peice...that would just be uncomfortable!) because they like looking fancy! Without the need for status symbols of "Look at how rich I am, I can get custom plates for my plates" (note Stega in Tok Timbu's workshop in ALAFT) I think they wear things for the sake of wearing them.
Although, I do agree with all of Amber's points, but number 3 is still strange. Perhaps the human did want to say something without shouting, but the Para also looks upset...maybe he (or she!) tried to make lunch of those yummy looking plants...
And handholds, yes! What else are you going to grip when your friend catches a random case of ADD and bolts off after a butterfly or towards a very tasty looking ripe Swamp Apple?
Excellent topic, Amber!
breathe deep, seek wonders
~*Rusty*~
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Thereisnosaurus
nice topic
Sun Oct 29, 2006 00:26
24.86.122.131
certainly interesting, and very well thought out answers. I like the simple it's easier to use reins than yell at em explanation, particularly because some dinosaurs may have not had that great a hearing, and it also gives the human an additional anchor point
, nothing like falling off the back of a dinosaur as tall as your house 
oh, and like rusty, I look forward to seeing you sometime in nov/december. I'll be in england around then, but I can't get onto you to figure out where you'll be, so ping me
* * * * *
Amber the velociraptor
Or maybe
Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:36
62.49.190.90
the human had just said something the para isagreed with and it's expressing that (as there are no translators available) with the Para version of a grimace...(or it;s had it's head yanked around once to often and is grimacing as if to say "cut that out?)
BD, RF, SP,
Amber
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Dugga
I'm Thinking That
Thu Oct 26, 2006 17:29
71.115.202.212
Certain reins on certain dinos are more of a guiding device than a control device because in the parade in ALAFT, a brac had some sort of collar with rings on and human walking beside him/her with hooked poles. What I believe is that the humans where there for guiding the brac, not controlling the brac. Reasoning for that being is what if a small child aciddentally ran out into the road? That and they coming up to steps. A gentle nudge to turn, a forceful pull to stop, you tell me.
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Dakota
Yeah
Thu Oct 26, 2006 20:25
209.209.199.31
AMBER!!!!!!!!! ^.^
"And handholds, yes! What else are you going to grip when your friend catches a random case of ADD and bolts off after a butterfly or towards a very tasty looking ripe Swamp Apple?"
ROTFL Yeah, thats what I was thinking.
I think they are to guide them and the
reigns are to hold on to so they don't
fall off. Kind of like a horse but
without the bit and WAAAAY fancier.
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Highsoar
Notice the Skybax don't have bridles
Fri Oct 27, 2006 17:09
67.165.158.172
...I think there are handholds on the saddle in front, but no bridle. It also looked like Will was using a touch to guide..Cirrus, was it? in one piccie.
Fly high, seek peace, God bless
Highsoar
Edit: I don't think bridles would work in beaks anyway NT (nm) — Highsoar, Fri Oct 27 17:09
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Highsoar
Plus, I forgot
Thu Nov 9, 2006 16:17
67.165.158.172
...ALAFT has Oolu saying the riders shouldn't try to control their mounts like they would a horse, ie steering.
FHSPGB
Highsoar
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Azon†hµs
Horses?
Thu Nov 9, 2006 17:50
69.223.136.159
Now, what I want to know is, how does Oolu know what a horse is and how a rider would control one?
RF, SP,
Az
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Highsoar
*shrug*
Fri Nov 10, 2006 01:37
67.165.158.172
I just recall the line about "stop steering" Oh wait I think he just said that...it was Will who said he needed to break the bad habits he learned with horses. My bad.
FH SP GB
Highsoar
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Amber the Velociraptor
*grins* Can't see touch working with a sauropod.......
Tue Oct 31, 2006 09:38
62.49.190.90
especially not if it's wearing the usual Rainy Basin sauropod aparrell (armour)...any sesitive spots would be covered up, and additionally a gentle touch might not be felt, and I can't see a Dinotopian thumping or kicking a sauropd to encourage it...no matter that the sauropods (presumably) wpuld bneed the force to FEEL a topuch like that from a human...it'd feel violent by the human's standards.
...... o 0 !
I have just had the most ALARMING image of an unsuspecting human topuching a highly ticklish sauropod......and a ticklish 'raptor could ber just as dangerous....!
Do you think dinos can be ticklish? (hides out of reach of any tickling fingers)...NO EXPERIMENTS ON ME!
RF, SP,
Amber
* * * * *
Ellie
Re: *grins* Can't see touch working with a sauropod.......
Tue Oct 31, 2006 09:44
62.49.190.90
poncyticKlehug!
Reins on Dinotopian dinosaurs?
Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:31
62.49.190.90
Hi,
I was re-reading "Dinotiopia Lost" whichhas as it's picture the same image as on the front of ALAFT and something struck me:
Why do most pf the dinosaurs in the picture seem to be reined or have some other guidence suystem you'd usually associate with what we usually tyerm (rather rudely" I think) as "deumb animals?" I thought that dinosaurs and humans were supposed to be equal. Thinking about this, I came up with some ideas.
1) The sauropod with a collar with rings on, by which humans can hook with a long stick to guide:
Some sauropods would find it very uncomfortable, if not impoossible, to look at where their feet are going, due to the angle of their necks and head. The ringed collar is there so that the nearby huimans can guide it to left or right if an obstruction (or smaller dinosaur or human) is in the way.
2) The Trike with reins.
They're not there to control the Trike-no human could stop a three ton Trike going somwhere if it was determined to get there LOL! They could be there to give the humans a secure handhold, for ceremonial use or symbolism (to show their willingness to transport humans, perhaps)or maybe the dinos consider them decorative?
3)The Para having it's head pulled around by it's reins by a human-
Harder to explain away, perhaps? Not at all. A Para's head is suitably far forwaed of it's back that a rider might have to shout to even be in with a chance of being heard. So maybe the rider is merely pulling the Para's heads round because he wants to say something to it without shouting?
4) The Struthie(?) with reins around it's neck.
To me this is harder to explain, unless the Struthie is unused to that particular city (or part of the city) and the human is using them to gently indicate whgich direction the Struthie should take.
Points 3 and 4 gain strength if you take into account there appears to be no Protoceratops around to transl;ate between saurian and hman. Even 1 or 2 could also have that as part of an explanation.
Any other ideas, people?
Sorry I've not been on recently-RL has dumped tons of good and bad stuff on me in one go and I'm STILL trying to figure this out AND planning to move!
RF, SP,
Amber the Velociraptor.
* * * * *
Rusty
yay!
Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:45
4.155.33.253
Excellent points, Amber! (and good to see you're still alive, well, and around! i will see you in November!)
Ya know, when I read and observed Dinotopia for the first time, it didn't bother me that the saurians had reins or harnesses or other "controlling" devices. I think that's simply the way we're brought up, thinking of animals as under us instead of equals. Well...the way MOST of us are brought up, I know there's a good many exceptions out there...
Anyway, a while back, I did a short story called "The Rein-Maker's Daughter" as a companion to one of my other, longer Dinotopian fics. Most of what was created were high decorative and worn with pride.
Honestly, I think the saurians indulge in wearing the devices (as long as they do not contain a bit peice...that would just be uncomfortable!) because they like looking fancy! Without the need for status symbols of "Look at how rich I am, I can get custom plates for my plates" (note Stega in Tok Timbu's workshop in ALAFT) I think they wear things for the sake of wearing them.
Although, I do agree with all of Amber's points, but number 3 is still strange. Perhaps the human did want to say something without shouting, but the Para also looks upset...maybe he (or she!) tried to make lunch of those yummy looking plants...
And handholds, yes! What else are you going to grip when your friend catches a random case of ADD and bolts off after a butterfly or towards a very tasty looking ripe Swamp Apple?
Excellent topic, Amber!
breathe deep, seek wonders
~*Rusty*~
* * * * *
Thereisnosaurus
nice topic
Sun Oct 29, 2006 00:26
24.86.122.131
certainly interesting, and very well thought out answers. I like the simple it's easier to use reins than yell at em explanation, particularly because some dinosaurs may have not had that great a hearing, and it also gives the human an additional anchor point
, nothing like falling off the back of a dinosaur as tall as your house 
oh, and like rusty, I look forward to seeing you sometime in nov/december. I'll be in england around then, but I can't get onto you to figure out where you'll be, so ping me
* * * * *
Amber the velociraptor
Or maybe
Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:36
62.49.190.90
the human had just said something the para isagreed with and it's expressing that (as there are no translators available) with the Para version of a grimace...(or it;s had it's head yanked around once to often and is grimacing as if to say "cut that out?)
BD, RF, SP,
Amber
* * * * *
Dugga
I'm Thinking That
Thu Oct 26, 2006 17:29
71.115.202.212
Certain reins on certain dinos are more of a guiding device than a control device because in the parade in ALAFT, a brac had some sort of collar with rings on and human walking beside him/her with hooked poles. What I believe is that the humans where there for guiding the brac, not controlling the brac. Reasoning for that being is what if a small child aciddentally ran out into the road? That and they coming up to steps. A gentle nudge to turn, a forceful pull to stop, you tell me.
* * * * *
Dakota
Yeah
Thu Oct 26, 2006 20:25
209.209.199.31
AMBER!!!!!!!!! ^.^
"And handholds, yes! What else are you going to grip when your friend catches a random case of ADD and bolts off after a butterfly or towards a very tasty looking ripe Swamp Apple?"
ROTFL Yeah, thats what I was thinking.
I think they are to guide them and the
reigns are to hold on to so they don't
fall off. Kind of like a horse but
without the bit and WAAAAY fancier.
* * * * *
Highsoar
Notice the Skybax don't have bridles
Fri Oct 27, 2006 17:09
67.165.158.172
...I think there are handholds on the saddle in front, but no bridle. It also looked like Will was using a touch to guide..Cirrus, was it? in one piccie.
Fly high, seek peace, God bless
Highsoar
Edit: I don't think bridles would work in beaks anyway NT (nm) — Highsoar, Fri Oct 27 17:09
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Highsoar
Plus, I forgot
Thu Nov 9, 2006 16:17
67.165.158.172
...ALAFT has Oolu saying the riders shouldn't try to control their mounts like they would a horse, ie steering.
FHSPGB
Highsoar
* * * * *
Azon†hµs
Horses?
Thu Nov 9, 2006 17:50
69.223.136.159
Now, what I want to know is, how does Oolu know what a horse is and how a rider would control one?
RF, SP,
Az
* * * * *
Highsoar
*shrug*
Fri Nov 10, 2006 01:37
67.165.158.172
I just recall the line about "stop steering" Oh wait I think he just said that...it was Will who said he needed to break the bad habits he learned with horses. My bad.
FH SP GB
Highsoar
* * * * *
Amber the Velociraptor
*grins* Can't see touch working with a sauropod.......
Tue Oct 31, 2006 09:38
62.49.190.90
especially not if it's wearing the usual Rainy Basin sauropod aparrell (armour)...any sesitive spots would be covered up, and additionally a gentle touch might not be felt, and I can't see a Dinotopian thumping or kicking a sauropd to encourage it...no matter that the sauropods (presumably) wpuld bneed the force to FEEL a topuch like that from a human...it'd feel violent by the human's standards.
...... o 0 !
I have just had the most ALARMING image of an unsuspecting human topuching a highly ticklish sauropod......and a ticklish 'raptor could ber just as dangerous....!
Do you think dinos can be ticklish? (hides out of reach of any tickling fingers)...NO EXPERIMENTS ON ME!
RF, SP,
Amber
* * * * *
Ellie
Re: *grins* Can't see touch working with a sauropod.......
Tue Oct 31, 2006 09:44
62.49.190.90
poncyticKlehug!